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Parenting Issues in these times

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Parenting Issues in these times

Postby Adarian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:43 pm

I am sure during these times that many parents are running into certain issues. Times are tough. The economy is falling and families are choosing which bills are being paid and which ones aren't. Which ones are being paid in full and which ones are being sent a partial payment. What bills are totally being put off so food will be put on the table instead.

One or both parents losing their jobs

Facing foreclosure.

How do you explain and deal with things like this with your children? How do explain and tell them that you do not have the money anymore? What do you do when you see your own child start to worry about money and how they are going to help make bills? Yes, it does happen. It has happened in my very own household. I have my 7 year old son worry about bills, about our house being sold and taken away from us, loosing our cars, how we are going to buy food, and how we are going to put gas in the car and all that stuff. This is all adult stuff that our son has overheard me and my husband worry about constantly. With this economy and it getting worse it is showing in our kids. Our younger kids. They are the ones that will be dealing this if we do not get this straightened out. I do not know how exactly to deal with it myself, but I am trying everyday to deal. I keep a smile on my face and tell him things will work out. I tell him to pray every night. Never loose faith.

in these tough times how are you dealing? What are you doing to help your kids through this? Help with your ideas and others. Maybe with all of us here we can all come together and help one another in our time of need.

Families are precious. Keep your bonds strong and the love tight. May your love and Blessings flow freely through your home.

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Postby Branwen on Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:29 pm

that first one....thats us too. sometimes we have to chose between the prospect of going to court or in the alternative losing our flat and being homeless.

whenever rhiannon says she wants something i either try to make her something similar from odds and ends (like when she kept asking for two weeks if she could have an omnitrix and could we go to 'the omnit-trix and watch shop and afford her one', and my friend gave her a watch she didn't use), like a wand, or the rocket i made from kitchen roll tubes and foil. other than that all i can say is 'i want doesn't always get sweetpea'. but i save that for when she gets her most demanding.


i had to try and explain to rhiannon what dying meant today. she loves to pick random flowers and gets a bit down hearted when they die. up till now i've said to her 'when you pick a flower honey, its going to die eventually'. she seemed to understand that. but today she kept going round saying everything was dying. i would be leaning forward trying to take the pressure off my back (i was folding washing and there was lots of it) and she came up to me and asked why i was dying.
now some of you know that my husbands aunt is dying. we thought she had months, but she's gone downhill so fast that she now has a few weeks. luckily turk wasn't home when she said it. he would probably just snap 'don't say things like that', but it would hurt him inside.
so i took her aside and tried to explain it to her. i told her that everything has to die eventually. just like when a flower dies when you pull it out of the ground, people die too. at this point i told her about aunty wendy, and that she was dying. rhiannon asked why and i said it was something we call cancer. i told her it was very say because it means you don't get to see that person again and i told her that when we die we go to a place called the Summerland to have a rest. being an intelligent little almost four year old, she said 'and when your there it doesn't hurt anymore'. that bought a little tear to my eye. i said yes thats right. she then said 'and when i go to the Summerland i can see aunty wendy again.'. this was one of those rare times where she actually looked at me when i spoke to her and she didn't try to play or move.
so in the end i asked her not to say about things dying any more because daddy would get very sad. she promised she wouldn't (she slipped once or twice, but hey she's three) and then she said 'i love aunty wendy. i'll miss her'.
i think she understood what i was telling her. i mean how do you explain how sad death is but its also not sad because its just a beginning?
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Postby Adarian on Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:51 pm

Gosh, death is a tough issue.

My son is & yrs. old and I had to explain that one this year when my grandmother left me this year. We went to visit her when she requested to see me before she left to the Summerlands. We left in January to see her and she passed in March. It was a tough time. I was extremely close to her and my son was just beginning to get to know her. It was hard trying to explain the whole who's who grandma/grandpa thing to him from my side and from dad's side. It confuses him still :wink: . I think he understands death more than about whose grandma and grandpa is his and mine and dads :roll: . But with all of us talking about death openly in the room with grandma and with my son being the youngest int he room I think it made it easier on him. Grandma wanted everyones thoughts and opinions on what the doctors thought on what they were to her. We all gave our opinions. We all were also looking into a place where she good go and just get the care she needed until she went peacefully (I forget what that type of place is called) I just wanted her to quit being in pain. Her body was retaining water. So much water; that she almost drowned! They flushed over 40lbs of water from her body. The water made it up to her lungs and was putting weight upon her lungs. She had quit taking medication for something and it made a build up of water that started up in her legs and continued over a period of years. I forget what it was for now, but it was for something for her heart or close to it. Anyways, after not taking meds, it caused so much damaged that there so no repair. She was taking so much hard core drugs now for the pain that it wasn't even working. No feeling in legs anymore. The skin was falling off of her legs. The nails fell off of toes. It was horrible :cry: . When we went to see her; she was so frail. You could see it. My son saw it, but still did let it affect him. I was proud if him. He went up to her and gave her a big hug and kiss. We saw 3 x's a day for a whole week. After That week he understood what death was. He does not see it as an end, but as a fresh and new beginning. I told him that grandma is now dancing and running on her legs. She is running fast and free, waiting. She is watching you and me and daddy. She is at peace now. She is not in pain anymore. She is with the angels and faeries, the Gods and Goddesses. Her spirit is with us at all times.

That is definitely a hard one.

I wish you the best Branwen. I hope that everything goes well for you and your family. I know that it is tough. My thoughts are with you. I also hope that everything goes well on the home front as well. I know how that feels as well. I sure hope things change. I know I am praying for it over here too :wink: .

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Postby Adarian on Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:23 pm

Well, it seems it is now school time. I am so thankful for that!!!!!!! It was his first day today. Will have to see how it went. In 2nd grade he actually has 4 school books. I can't remember if I had school books. Too long ago :wink: . He has Math, Science, Social Studies, and a Dictionary, Spelling and Reading, Computers, Music, Art, Library, PE. His teacher seems pretty tough too. This will be interesting to see how things go. He is known as the class clown :wink: . Not to mention all the problems we had last year in 1st grade :roll: .

How is everyone dealing with their first day of school? (I bet parents are relieved :D ) Do you think that with the times that we are in that it will effect our children?

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Postby Branwen on Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:21 pm

rhiannon has her first day at school septmeber 7th i think it is. and she won't shut up about going to 'big school'.
the only concern i have is the schools RE curriculum. it is very christian oriented, and when i was at school (well down here in the wsouth, up in notts it was a truly great curriculum going through lots and lots of religions equally, and once or twice watching father ted) it was only christianity. we plan to talk to her teacher about it and say we will teach her about different religions. if muslims and sikhs can do that (i'm not religion bashing there seriously, but its true. i am not demeaning them or their religion) then i don't see why a pagan parent can't. especially as my sisters in laws daughter, laura went to the same school and she went home and told louise that she was going to hell for not believing in God. so i am a tad worried there.
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Postby Adarian on Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:57 pm

Well, I wish you well in this. I firmly believe that every parent has the right choose in which way their child should go (not by force; of course :wink: ), but showing them their options. I agree with you. By letting your daughter see what is out there and having her see she can see what SHE want s to follow. NO teacher can tell anything other. Besides, they have no right to tell her anything other than that. There is no Hell. Hell is what you make it. The Christians are the ones that made up Hell in the first place. Of course, it will all go on what you believe too. I have faith that you will do right for your daughter. I do not know the laws their, but I am sure that they cannot be too much different from here. Basically. I know that they talk alot about God here and I take it with a grain of salt. When it goes to far is when both my hubby and I say something. Without it going to the point that no one is allowed to play or even be around our son we just say that we are Spiritualist. Being in the Bible Belt it is easier to say this and people accept it than me saying I am a Heathen. I follow the Northern Ways. Asatru; and then have to try to explain. I don't consider myself Wiccan, but Heathen. That term itself around here brings about a whole different image to their heads and it is worse. It is amazing! People these days. Figuring out things, and having to hide things just to teach and let your child be able to learn ALL aspects of life out there is hard. Their are a great many people out there, but hey hide. Scared because society. Some people know (due to my mouthy husband :roll: ), I do try to keep a low profile. I think I went off course.

Anyways, when school starts...just watch as the courses go. Listen, and see what happens. Talk to her teacher and see if some form of agreement can be reached in nice terms. Everyone has different religions, everyone has a difference of opinion on evolution. I know my mother did and didn't want me to learn about what the teacher was going to teach. Every parent has the right to ask and the teacher has to respect the wishes of the parent. Let me know how it goes.

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Postby Cadno ap annwn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:54 pm

Branwen, believe it or not by law you have the right to ask that your child is taught a broad spectrum of religion. Also due to our nice new shiney religious belief laws, Paganism is deemed as a belief system that must be honoured (great isn't it).

You can actually request that your child is not involved in overly Christian affairs and also you can request that she is allowed to freely express her own religious beliefs. Sadly there isn't a curriculum yet to cover all Pagan beliefs but there are some trials being run around the country for Wicca. Its well worth going in and speaking to the head master/mistress and enquiring what their policy is, that way you can have peace of mind while also assuring your daughter isn't going to be told she's going to hell.

I'll tell you this, if the RE teacher does that, go directly over the schools head to the LEA and play havoc!!
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Postby Cadno ap annwn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:00 pm

Something that might also be of use to you

http://www.paganfed.org/comsrv-educ.php

Its a nice little section about how religious policy in regards to education is sorted. Might be worth finding out more about whether Paganism is respresented in your local area. If it isn't, I'm pretty sure you can fill that possition (hint hint lol)
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Postby Cadno ap annwn on Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:10 pm

Considering the topic and not to mention we are quite diverse ourselves I thought I'd start a new thread on this and we can really get tot he crux of things. I know I'm no parent but this is an aspect of our societies that interests me greatly as one day there may well be a little cadno or crystal running around lol.

And yes I really should learn to post in one go, but you know what idea's are like, they come to you just after you clicked submit lmao!!
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Postby Branwen on Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:52 pm

well me and turk agreed that we would raise the kids religion neutral, what with me being pagan and him being athiest. i wouldn't mind so much about the RE curriculum if it truly taught an equal view of all religions. i remember myself in notts i became very interested in judaism thanks to my RE lessons.
another problem is that i'm pretty sure rhiannons school is CofE, and i read in the supernanny magazine a while back that they are planning to introduce 'daily worship'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/200 ... schools.uk

and i'll be (insert rude word here) if i'm gonna let the government indoctrinate my daughter. so a chat with the head is in the pipeline!
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Postby Adarian on Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:45 pm

Well, here is something I found for those of us in the US.

http://pagansunited.com/paganlegalhelpimbolic06.htm

It is as close as I can find. As for a state to state issue that varies. For Missouri you are either Home schooled for being Pagan or you can go to specific schools that I found in certain areas in the Bible Belt Region :shock: . I guess it does help to know where you do stand and that there is rights.

Thanks Cando for sharing that info with us all. That will mean a great deal to many parents out there who have wondering the same question but afraid to ask.

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Postby Cadno ap annwn on Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:06 pm

Hey you know me, I'm one for knowing our rights if it kills me. And believe me getting that info wasn't easy, took me nearly 6 months of badgering both Westminister and the national assembly!!
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Postby Adarian on Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:31 pm

Isn't it amazing what we have to go through to fight for our rights? No matter what it might be for?

I haven't had to really pursue that whole issue as of yet in my school. But we just got a new Principal this year and so far the way things are already done I am not liking it. They haven't even sent home paperwork for parents to fill out so they have information just in case something happens. That is basic stuff and I am already worried. I have my whole EX thing to have to go through with this new person as well. (I hate having to do this). Then to see what this new Principal has in store.

As a community though, I do not have a problem with my neighbors. Some already know (thanks to hubbies BIG mouth :roll: ) and they do not seem to mind. Of course, I do not go around and show it off either. About the only I steer away from is Religious Christian talk. I am polite, but say, "No thanks, I don't talk about Religion." Kinda change the subject. My hubby is the same way. Now if my son's friends come over or invite him to go somewhere I won't let it get in the way. Hubby hates it when I let him go to a church, but he has the right to go and be with his friends. He tells me what they talk about, and we discuss it. He knows not to talk about the Goddess at church. I do not know if he full understands, but he gets the jist. (think I strayed :wink: )

Anyways, at least the info is there for everyone. If anyone comes into a situation they will know that they will have support here and amongst others out there that will help. Good topic!!!

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